Christina
Hello, everyone, I’m Christina Darnell, the managing editor of MinistryWatch. Welcome to the MinistryWatch podcast.
In today’s extra episode, I talk with Warren Smith about some news items that are slightly (even significantly) outside of our normal charity and philanthropy “beat.”
So, Warren, what’s up first?
Warren
I subscribe to Kate Bowler’s Substack and read this week that she had spoken at Church of the Resurrection in Kansas City. When she wrote that this United Methodist congregation had 25,000 members, I was a bit incredulous.
Christina
United Methodist churches do not usually grow that large, especially these days.
Warren
So, I did some fact-checking, and she is right, though most online sources also say that weekly attendance at the church is closer to 6,000. Still, that is big. The church is centrist in theology and has so far managed to stay in the United Methodist Church without suffering a meltdown in attendance, though its growth has flattened in recent years. I am going to keep my eye on the church. It will be an interesting bellwether for the future of the UMC.
Christina
Moving on, there’s a leadership transition coming up at a significant Christian organization.
Warren
After nearly six years of service, Kevin Van Horne has stepped down as Executive Director of International Fellowship of Evangelical Students/ USA. His last day was Friday, May 15, 2026. According to a statement from the organization, “Kevin led IFES/USA through a season of significant change, helping to serve our global fellowship and partners well. We are deeply grateful for his leadership and for the ways God has worked through him.” Dave Shepherd (Director of Finance) has been appointed to serve as Interim Executive Director. IFES was a MinistryWatch Shining Light Award winner in 2023 and has maintained excellent ratings from us since then.
Christina
Warren, I know you are always interested in demographics and statistics. But something special caught your attention this week.
Warren
That’s right, and before I say what that was, let me as some rhetorical questions.
What is the most significant problem facing America and the world? Nuclear winter? Global warming? Artificial intelligence? I would submit for your consideration the coming depopulation of the earth. For at least 30 years, most reputable demographers have been saying that the world population growth is slowing and will likely top out soon. By the year 2100 the world will be in the midst of a significant population decline.
Christina
And one thing that caught your attention is just how much this population decline will impact all areas of life on earth.
Warren
That’s right. This decline will have enormous implications for every aspect of life. Cities built for millions of people will disappear, leaving a rotting infrastructure. Economic growth will be impossible. We are already seeing towns in the Midwest and West disappear. That trend will accelerate.
Christina
I’ve got to admit, Warren, that that sounds a bit melodramatic.
Warren
I think it’s fair to be skeptical, but population demographics is one area of social science that has pretty sound prediction models. Birth rates have fallen to record lows, and they don’t change that much from year to year. So it’s actually pretty easy to predict what the population will be in the future. And the numbers don’t look good.
But if these predictions seem a bit melodramatic to you, I suggest reading a new article from The Atlantic, The Great Depopulation. A world with a shrinking and aging population will offer great opportunities for ministry, but for almost every country on the planet, it will be a culturally wrenching reality.
Christina
On May 17, an event called ReDedicate 250 brought speakers to the National Mall in Washington. The speakers included Eric Metaxas, Mark Driscoll, Sean Feucht, and Greg Locke – all men we’ve written about here at MinistsryWatch.
Warren
That’s right. They are a part of what some are now calling the Dissident Christian Right.
Christina
What does that mean?
Warren
They are not quite Christian Nationalist, but not mainstream evangelical, either. Most assessments have judged the event as kind of a bust. A few thousand people attended, but DCR pundits had predicted many more. For example, The Christian Post reported that Robert Jeffress predicted the gathering “could be the nation’s largest religious gathering in more than 50 years.” It is not clear what the attendance figures for this event forbode for the DCR movement, but the weak attendance was a surprise to me and to many who have been following the movement.
Christina
And there was a notable passing last week.
Warren
My friend Bob Woodson died last week at the age of 89. If you do not know about Bob’s life and the legacy he leaves behind, I recommend reading John Stonestreet’s excellent tribute. It was an honor for me to be a part of the Colson Center team that presented Bob with a Wilberforce Award in 2018. He was sui generis. One of one. I will miss him personally, and our country will miss his leadership. I helped arrange a trip for him to The King’s College in 2010 to do a live interview with Marvin Olasky. That interview is worth a listen, and you can find it here.
Christina
Warren, you’ve mentioned before, that you are a fan of Carey Nieuwhof’s leadership podcast. This week he dropped one of his most personal episodes ever.
Warren
He recounts how, about 20 years ago, he experienced a period of profound burnout. It is part of a two-part series on how to avoid burning out. I strongly recommend it. You can find the first episode here.
Christina
Warren, we need to wrap things up here. Any final thoughts before we go?
Warren
I’ll be in Knoxville this week attending an event hosted by my former colleagues and good friends at The Colson Center for Christian Worldview. If you’d like to have lunch with me on Friday, let me hear from you. I’ll be doing similar lunches in Denver and Colorado Springs in June. Let me know if you would like to join us. My email is wsmith@ministrywatch.com.
Christina
That brings to a close this EXTRA episode of the podcast. The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh.
I’m Christina Darnell, along with Warren Smith. Until next time, may God bless you.
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